One of the more often asked questions lately is if I will miss the 2022 Toyota Tundra after buying a new 2023 Chevy Silverado? Publisher Tim Esterdahl tackles this question to give you his unique insight into owning both trucks?
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The new Tundra is Ugly for a reason. Because you can’t hide that it’s Mike Sweers was behind the design. He’s a ex Chrysler engineer. It’s ugly inside and out! Look at the old Dodge caravan. Why would Toyota hire a guy that designed garbage Chrysler vehicles. Everyone needs to quit buying Toyota trucks.
Other deficiencies with the Tundra you didn't mention are the narrow, shallow bed and the horrible turning radius. The bed is too narrow between the wheel wells for me to carry some of the sheet products I use in my carpentry business. The overall bed width is too narrow now for five foot pipe scaffolding- a very common size. Also, the smaller cabin- especially in the double cab. I've also heard from another carpenter I know who is getting around 11-12 MPG with his tools loaded in it. that's worse than the 2nd generation Tundra he had and that I do have. I've had Toyota trucks since 1998 and sadly I will have to switch to another brand next time.
Maybe someday you could do a vid on how it makes sense to trade every year. You say it's business, but you also say you take your family in the pickups which is not business. In business there are tax advantages but what else makes it work? Thanks.
Spot on my friend. I had a 14 tundra which I think the 14-21 tundras are the best exterior looking trucks but the lack of everything u stated is why I switched to a 17 f150.
🇺🇸 I'll miss it already!
To me the 3rd gen tundras are like a Chinese knock off of a F150 that was phoned in with no references. I absolutely love my 21 Pro for what it is but after looking at multiple new Tundras at the dealership it's obvious the build quality/materials are close to the worst if not the worst in the segment.
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Tim, I'm a Toyota fan through and through and I agree with every point you made. My wife and I have each driven Toyota products for our last few vehicles and we keep them a long time. I'll be replacing my 2013 Toyota Tundra in a year or two (I drive my trucks for at least 10 years) and right now, the current Tundra is not in the running for my next pickup, unfortunately. There is not a single item that is making me pass, but, like you mention, it's more a lot of little things that take away from the overall package.
The looks aren't as great as I'd hoped. The versions where the grill surround is color-matched to the rest of the body are the best looking. I do like the Sequoia front end, so there is hope for the Tundra front end with slight adjustments in future mid-cycle upgrade. The interior is good but not great. The screen integration just doesn't look right to my eye, for some reason.
Then, all of the little dislikes add up; many of which are because we overland our pickups and are deep in the mountains every weekend. Dislikes included the front and rear bumper overhangs and clearance, lack of recovery hooks or means to easily add them as an accessory (as Toyota first said they would offer), lack of rear bumper steps or flat top of bumper that one can step on with tailgate down (and no need to hand things off the bottom that take away ground clearance), a design that complicates many common modifications, etc. For me, even the fact that the exhaust now exits on the drivers side, rather than passenger side, bothers me. When the pickup is running and I'm walking back and forth to access something in the bed of the truck or hook up trailer, etc. I'd be walking through a cloud if exhaust which I don't in my current Tundra because the exhaust exits on the passenger side. I'd never paid that much attention but when the new Tundra was announced and I noticed the exhaust on the drivers side, I started paying attention and realized how often that would be an impact for how I use my pickup currently.
I like the new drivetrain and have no issue with the twin turbo V6 and 10 speed. The drivetrain would be an improvement in drivability (we are at elevation so turbo performs better) and mileage would be improved over my current Tundra, but there are just a lot of little things that would be a step backwards from my current Tundra, which is not the feeling one wants when buying a new truck especially since I'll be living with it for at least 10 years.
Ahhhhh it’s so hard to restart the truck after it turns off. My index finger is sooo weak
I saw the Tundra at the LA Auto show in Nov. First time seeing the Tundra up close and personal. I agree with your comments. It was difficult to get into the bed. No wow factor. Interior space seems tighter than expected. Although I do like the way the Tundra looks. But I think the Chevy and GMC looks better and so much more useable with the bumper steps and the flex tailgate.
I think Toyota needs to refresh the Tundra with some of the exterior features on the Silverado.
I have owned a 2012 and a 2016 Silverado and I have grown tired of some of the engineering misses that they have not fixed over that whole time frame. My 2016 now has 130000 miles on it, but I have no intention to trade it because I have no idea what would be a good replacement. I was waiting for the new tundra because several of my friends have older ones, but for so many reasons I'm disappointed with that Truck. It feels like a truck you drive if you don't really need a truck, but want to look like a truck guy. Ford screwed me over years ago, so I have no intention to buy a Ford, and Dodge is notoriously junk. Further it annoys me that these companies are succumbing to pressure to shove electric trucks down our throats. So, what to do? I guess I just live with my chevy and its bad transmission/torque converter…
I test drove two Tundras earlier this week and I agree with everything you say about it. That is why your channel is so great! However, on the battery issue, I think Toyota did a better job placing it – on the F150, it is under the cab and I feel that raises the floor quite a bit. Doing so gives you storage space under the rear seat, but also requires rear seat passengers to sit with their knees near their chest. Perhaps a video comparing rear seats across trucks as that will be of interest to someone towing a camper with (teenage) children in the rear seat.
Wow. My experience has been so much different than Tim’s. But I also have the Pro not the Limited with certain packages so maybe that’s why.
My heated steering wheel works all the way around so much so I have to turn it off after 5 min or so.
The seats are comfortable. I don’t have any fit or finish issues in mine. It’s White with the Red interior which I think is the best color combo they offer
I’ve not had issues with any infotainment that others say they have.
The ONLY complaint is the headliner where the moonroof meets has styrofoam inserts that squeak. I fixed it but it was weird.
I love the look of the Pro. Hell I love the look of the 1794 and Platinum. Some of the Limited Trim levels look good too depending on how you do it.
I will agree that gas mileage is up and down but I’m not gonna whine about it. I came from a 2020 Tacoma OR and that damned truck gave me the same fuel economy I’m getting with my Pro.
Everyone’s tastes are different.
The only trucks from GM that I think look great are the Denali, AT4 trims. I don’t like the looks of the others and definitely 100% not a Chrome guy.
I also want the truck to last too so there’s that.
I had the same exact thought we when I saw the new tundra….ugly!!
I like Suburban and want to buy one. However, I own a 4Runner and my wife owns a Highlander because of reliability. I wish Chevy sacrificed some comfort and convenience for reliability. When we owned the Traverse, it’s alternator died at 40k miles on a mountainside on New Year’s Day. It was a monster hassle to go rent tools, buy battery, alternator; replace it…frozen fingers, remove wheel ensuring jack-stand doesn’t slip on sloping roadside…
I don't mind the exterior styling of the new Tundra. The door gaps, however, are egregious—consistent but very large by modern standards.
Great video
Looks like the tundra was rushed even tho they had 15 or whatever years to nail it
I owned a 2021 Silverado worst vehicle I have ever own motor gone at 13000 km transmission slipped in the cold dash vibrated if wind hit truck a certain way and only thing worse than the quality of the truck itself was the GM service just a piss poor truck and even worse customer service
New generation Tundra is worse in many ways… tow hooks, not a lot of standard features, worse outward visibility, inflated mpg, no v8 option, issues with v6 that supposedly has been out for years, quality of materials poor, no bench seat offering, fit and finish is atrocious and on par with a lada, 20+ rims on an “off road” package…. Problem is fanboys will not focus on any of that and say everything is great so Toyota produces crap…
Thanks Tim. Great job as usual. As a retired person, I enjoy my 2016 Tundra with only 66K. The best 3 features of this truck are as follows: 1. Paid For. 2. Paid For. 3. Paid For. 60-70K for a new truck is not the plan. They will just put my coffin in the back of this one, because it will outlast me.
If Tundra still had the 5.7, there would be no comparison between any other brands. Now, since it has a twin-turbo V6 I'll stick with the older models, as I know they'll still be around twenty years from now.
Hi Tim, this video response and articulation of what we as consumers expect from auto manufacturers especially when they're past engineers said stupid things like the consumers won't pay for what the consumers want. The current prices are evidence of their misguided thought processes. these prices are crazy and yet, they still have not given the consumers what they really want to see, which results in the consumers making aftermarket structural changes to make the vehicle so that it will meet our needs and pleasures. Unlike taking a jeep vehicle and modifying it for extreme enjoyment, we should NOT have to have modifications done to a vehicle that should already have the standard functionality of equipment part of the vehicle, i.e, recovery tow hooks and the other items listed in your comments in this video. Anyway great episode Tim and be blessed continually
Shoulda scooped up a 5.7. Glad I did.
I could deal with the new tundras look, simplicity, and wack V6. But what i cant deal with is the fact that they completely shrunk it alot. It looms so small and stupid
I love remote starting my GMC dessert sand with the diesel in the early morning. I look at my truck everyday and tell myself, damn this is a bad ass looking truck. Then I drive that smooth lil torque monster and love every minute of it.
Gas mileage for all full size trucks sucks. Also ide be suspicious of anybody saying they are getting 15 mpg highway. I’m not a huge fan of the new truck but that’s fishy. Unless he was going 90 lol
And it’s a yearly write off 😎. Only some know how.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I have ONLY had Toyota trucks for the past 35+ years. I started with a 1985 Toyota Extra Cab SR5 and never looked back. I currently own a 2007 Tundra Crewmax that was one of the first Gen 2 off the line in Indiana. It has been flawless for a first year model.
I was all set to buy the gen 3. I followed and read many articles over the years about the "new refresh". In summary, I was shocked by the launch and what I saw. I really tried hard to like it and even tried to convince myself.
Long story short, I ordered a 2023 GMC Sierra AT4 with the Duramax. I kind of feel like I have to go to confession and talk to my priest for what I have done.
I am sure that Toyota will have to do a redesign but I do not see that happening any time in the next 5 years.
I have photos of the new Tundra at the dealership, Platinum, TRD Pro and it is really sad to see how poor the fit and finish really is. My 2007 is put together with tighter tolerances than the 2022 I drove.
I was able to try out the heated seats in my 2021 TRD pro for the first time this week. They work great!
I bought a 2021 TUNDRA TRD Pro 8 months ago and have no regrets. I’m a big guy and for me the seats are very comfortable and the ride quality is excellent (I have the not very cool looking all season factory Michelin tires). I’m perfectly happy with the infotainment screen (it’s much bigger then my previous vehicle (2007 tahoe). The only thing I don’t like is that my truck has “shift hang” at speeds under 25 mph. I see 2022 Tundras all the time and just don’t find them to be as visually appealing as my truck. The biggest factor though in buying my 2021 over a 2022 is that I know the 2021 V8 is bullet proof. If I take proper care of it this Truck will last me well beyond 10 years.
Toyota lost me with the new Tundra !
I have a 2022 Tundra and think it looks great ! I have gotten a lot of compliments on it honestly, but I guess looks are subjective. But I Could not be happier with it 😁😁
I don’t think this Silverado will have the same level of interest as your Tundra did when it come to viewership. TFL trucks bought and sold there Silverado within a few months.
All fun & games until lifters go out and need an engine replacement. Love the look of GM trucks but their reliability remains lowest in truck segment.
Excellent video, Been a 2022 Tundra owner since May and you are spot on about everything. The only thing that you missed is that the factory spray on bedliner is about as durable as tissue paper. I'll be keeping mine since none of these are deal breakers for me but I will be adding/changing things as they come to market to make up for the deficiencies. Hopefully Toyota is watching and makes some changes in an early refresh. I love that you called out the Hybrid as a "Diesel Replacement" that's put it in a half ton truck that is not a "HD truck replacement". The regular twin turbo has plenty of power to haul or tow up to the 1/2 ton capacities. For a half ton the hybrid should be getting you more mileage and features, it does not need the torque. Either that or make a heavy half to make use of it. Thanks for your truthful and straightforward commentary.
I just made 1k 👍
Our assessment of the new Tundra it’s bad fuel economy all plain Jane and quality is unacceptable.
Tundra owner here and you hit the nail on the head. Finding it very hard to justify trading my 2014 Crewmax limited for a new one. Test drove one and it didn't blow me away the same way it did with my current one.
I purposely bought aftermarket remote start for the stay running function on my last generation Tundra.
nobody ever bought anything toyota because it looks good
After that rant you’re going to buy another Tundra a few years down the road 😂 You should have got the Pro.