Intel Panther Lake & Arrow Lake Leak: Does AMD stand a chance against Lion Cove?



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0:00 It’s time to catch up on Intel Desktop leaks!
1:40 Is Intel abandoning High End Desktop? Will 2023 be a bloodbath?
3:30 Actually, Intel is planning a big comeback in 2024…
7:25 Meteor Lake – Another decent IPC uplift with good efficiency
10:20 Arrow Lake – Intel’s Moment!
12:50 Lunar & Panther Lake – A Crazy Follow-up punch!
15:10 Nova Lake, Norton Lake, and Anderson Lake
16:50 Intel GNR Workstation Leak – 44 Redwood+ Cores!!!
20:23 Concluding Thoughts – Can Intel stay competitive in 2024?

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VladdyBoy

I think AMD should make mainstream, consumer Threadripper, that's cut down so it can be accessible to mid range shopper that allows scalability to upgrade to a monster T pro chip in the future.
I'm talking triple channel memory, more than 28 PCIe lanes, and have a 7600x type starting product at 250 to represent the barrier to entry for that platform.
Something like a mainstream/HEDT platform hybrid that slots in between the two segments.
Their chips are already scalable because of the chiplet design, but atm you can't say the same about their platforms.
I'm not the smartest guy out there and I don't fully get how business viable that move would exactly be, but it seems like there's a market who wants to start mainstream and turn the same platform into pseudo HEDT.

Kan Lu

Intel will soon reach 1KW for their CPUs

psionx1

the real question is can panther lake run a PS5 emulator? before I could see a future where you had 8 big cores + optane to do that easily. but now 6 big cors and a standard NVME drive with direct storage sounds like a combo on the edge of playable.

Mantas K

firs af all 🙂 intel lowering core count.. ading some MHZ 😉 adding some l2 catche.. renaming it to whatether .. 😀 then next gan just adding some cores.. 😀 it`s only money… 🙂 amd is really doing something new.. adding boost MHZ, new 4NM – lower TDP, IPC increase without playing games like intel… remember then intel was relaeasing new gen in years 2 times 😀 just adding some MHZ and renaming 😀 and new motherboard required 😀 frop intel 11gen to 13gen .. no new tech at all just playing games with cores and L2 catche… 🙂

ALLGames&Tech

There’s major innovations now a days with processors. My Wyze camera has a ai processor with deep integration. I think those are the future not so much just Intel creating higher ipcs. They need more ai. They need more core types like super performance etc they just need more. When you can’t buy specialized processors that do so much “more” without the “damn” (effect) need… I’m just saying. I mean look at gpus with ai still small. But they used it for something. They just need to do more. Ipc gain isn’t good when it still runs the os slow. When a smart phone can drive a car and run a game in the background and operating system. Vs intels lil ipc gain.

Inimbrium

I watch the sponsor just to see your adorable doggo

Yu Guan

2kVA processors are on their way folks!

Niels Vantilburg

If they don't increase core count and just keep 6 and 8, they're not really getting better, so AMD could definitely compete. The E cores are useless unless you do other stuff than gaming.

beachboy boobybuilder

Sounds very much like a rebranded shit cove.

Aikani Kuluksi

Hopefully future leaks will be able to address the overall outlook for the AM5 platform:
– General nature and schedule of future Zens?
– Chipset with PCIe Gen5 not only from the CPU?

John Hooper

There is a lot of bias in the comments.. Mercury just released new market share numbers..
While AMD is doing great with their server products, desktop CPU they went back to 14% marketshare and notebooks 16% marketshare..
Basically back to Ryzen 1 numbers..
How often did I read: Intel is dead.. Pathetic.. 😀

Tirth Kachhia

You were cappin that amd zen 4 will compete with 13th gen. The 1% low is so bad and fps is worse and IMC is worse and value is worse. Of course “AMD INSIDERS” will tell you bs

SoFunny

1851 all the way to panther Lake?

Sam Tab7

Core 2 duo was born from the foundations of mobile architecture, seems that Intel need to get engineers at charge again with a similar approach

Jieren Zheng

Any idea about the P series for Meteor Lake or Arrow Lake? I am hoping the efficiency increases help battery life

mesaquecaiu

Thanks for showing the dog.

BackToTheStart47

Having laptop CPUs on desktop is disappointing.

Donald Duck

I am a workstation user and I have yet to buy into efficiency cores. It's a way to claim higher core counts while making cheaper chips. At best a few smaller cores with most full cores. They are doing it backwards. Not 6X16, but 16X6. Better 20fullX4small.

Carhartt Medios

Intel use euv to make small nodes and it is faster and better!

Samson Adeboga

Intel needs to manage and get to newer nodes first.

13th gen is going to be their best even in years to come.

The server chips have been delayed for 3 years, they're presently clueless on what to do.

AMD is already taking the lead though I'll like INTEL to be competitive, that would provoke better products for the consumer, but presently things look so bad for INTEL

Janusz Bartkow

Lion Cove is a ZEN moment for Intel… if AMD suddenly stops innovating, and won't release 3D stacked versions of their CPUs at launch, in the future.

On another note, are there any news regarding AMD's AI accelerators? ZEN 5 is supposed to have it, and RDNA3 will have some form of it. Is it something like Tensor cores, or something simpler? Will it be used for neural graphics in the future? Upscaling? Frame interpolation? Anything? What are the plans for it?

Przemysław Horban

Constructive Feedback:
This video contains too much information for me to process all at once. I have very little familiarity with terms like panther lake or arrow lake.
You should probably split the information into several videos, with bigger introduction and summary sections.

Chen Mingyi

Intel is supposed to have their intel 3 node come out soon after their intel 4 node right? What will it be used for if meteor lake uses intel 4 and arrow lake will either use intel 20a or tsmc n3x?

TheBadFred

How important is desktop/gaming compared to the rest of the market. In my view large desktops are slowly dying out. Just look at the performance, efficacy and size of the studio mac.

Oli Belus

How are they managing to make these chips faster and faster? 12th gen Alder Lake is already insane. It blows my mind how they are managing to plan so many chips and architectures way into the future…

BolusTube

Lunar lake won't be out till late 2024 or early 2025 if we are lucky.
Till then get AM5 motherboard and enjoy the best of Zen 4 & 5 CPUs.
Then decide if its worth switching to Intel in 2025 (when AM5 support drops).

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Denver Basshead

I just care about server, can they compete at all?

Bungus Gaming

I wonder what zen 5/53d/6/63d is gonna look like in comparison to these potential intel offerings

U WUT M8?

intel needs to get away from that rectangular shape

henry Stiff

intel sucks

Nucleo

so many lakes and coves

AgentZeroNine1

Though I am no longer interested in core gaming on PC (I prefer the console experience and console exclusives way more), I am really rooting for both Intel and AMD in terms of efficiency. I want that M1, M2 experience on Windows while I'm developing via WSL2 and designing via Figma.

Weeaboo Patrol

No amount of gaming performance will make me throw money at Intel. They've already solidified themselves as an anti-consumer company.

Antimatter31

Just earned a new sub. I think its the way forward to leave the fabrication for laptop-only cos if they can't focus on performance, they could perhaps go for the efficiency crown. Makes sense to diversify.

Nathan Gamble

I don't see any realistic chance of Meteor Lake competing with Zen 4X3D at the high-end. Meteor Lake should be a good midrange and low-end option, but 6 performance cores just isn't enough for high-end next-gen gaming, even with a big IPC bump. 16 Skymont cores is unlikely to match 8 Zen 4 cores, and has no chance of matching 16 Zen 4c cores.
Lunar Lake will be DOA if it's only 4+4 cores in late 2024. AMD should be selling low-end CPUs with 6 Zen 5 cores at that point. Tiger Lake was at least relevant to the low-end and entry-level market with the 1135G7 and 1115G4, competing against the 4500U and 4300U; but I honestly don't see any chance for Lunar Lake except as a Ryzen 3 and Athlon competitor.
Panther Lake could finally be a viable option to compete with AMD's high-end, but it's a while to wait, and we have to hope that Intel finds a way to deliver on schedule.

jay Norwood

288MB of Ponte Vecchio's 408MB L2 cache are on the base tile. The remainder is in the strip of tiles that are labeled RAMBO Cache. It is strange that little attention is paid to this, which is comparable in size to AMD's 3d V-Cache solutions.