Our China correspondent, Elliot Richards takes a ‘drive’ across a busy city in the new Xpeng P5. Except he won’t be doing much of the driving, because the P5 boasts one of, if not the most advanced self-driving systems in the world. Adding lidar to the radar/camera setup used by Tesla, is this the closest thing yet to a fully self-driving car?
0:00 Let the car take over
2:01 No bumps or bulges
3:19 Radar vs lidar
4:23 Easy to activate
6:38 Go with the flow
8:01 Tesla comparison
8:41 Cake shopping
9:26 Heavy traffic test
10:52 Round the roundabout
12:33 Blown away
13:42 Mission success
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I wonder how long it would take to fall apart on a roundabout in Spain. Especially in Valencia where you can have a few lanes entering the roundabout, a traffic light almost immediately for the next entrance where cars just line up side by side with no lanes at all and then a mad dash when the lights turn green to get into one of the few lanes leaving.
Let's hope they didn't use crappy 18650s to drive the price down.
This video is simply wrong, and makes me think it's deliberately miseading.. it then makes me think I wonder who is paying you to make this rubbish ??
•Tesla do not use radar as you claim, currently it's only a camera based system.
•Xpeng system is currently a geomapped system, and this is what is featured in your video, this means that it can only drive autonomously on areas of the planet where a geomap has been created for its system, in this case probably Guangzhou only. The amount of work required to create geomaps is massive, and the bigger problem as you probably know, is as soon as you publish a map it's out of date the next day.. the system needs to be able to deal with the real day to day road environment variables, to be fully autonomously it needs to be self-learning, this is Tesla's method. As an engineer myself, and my son working on a geo based navigation systems, we know that Tesla's method is only system at the moment to achieve self-learning autonomous vehicles.. although some labelling is still checked by humans but this is reducing quickly and the aim is to be zero human checked.
Even Xpeng themselves have stated that their aim is to achieve system similar to Teslas which does not use geomapping. The geo mapping method is probably being used in the car you tested for ensuring safety, & used in tandem with their non geobased system. From your video evidence it seems Xpeng I have made great progress dealing with all the object variables in the driving space, and it seems to me that maybe this is the second best system available at the moment, and it's good to see that Tesla may have some real competition.
I suggest checking Teslas recient 'AI Day' video.
You promoted that having radar, lidar and cameras is better than having only cameras, because you said "Tesla only have cameras" .. with my engineers head on again.. remember what Elon says..'the best part is no part' .. he's referring to components in car.. as this reduces costs massively and probably increases reliability.
I understand that in certain situations radar can produce better object data, for instance in poor visibility, and for this reason Tesla is reconsidering radar, however the data that Tesla is receiving in such driving conditions has proven that the cameras only are orders of magnitude better than human human beings at driving safely in these such conditions.. but hey let's make it even safer by radar if its worthwhile.
Checkout utube channel AI DRIVR if you're interested in seeing how Tesla system deals with driving across San Francisco using cameras only.
The more assistance a car gives the less attention the driver pays. I am not sure excessive self driving is required, just proper auto braking collision avoidance.
Oh, the comments of the hurt musk fanboys in this thread are GOLDEN
Impressive, and Elliot wasn't even shaking when he got out so the system must work very well (given the challenging traffic conditions).
Tesla is aiming for a pure vision system, which they are pretty much there with. More sensors is not better, it makes computer much more difficult and confuses the system often. Lidar works well in pre-mapped journeys, not in real time, real world scenarios. I often expect this guy in the video to remove his mask and be a Chinese gov official 😂
Tesla uses only cameras now. To me this video is sponsored by xpeng and is very biased. You're constantly say xpeng is better because it has lidar. But you know what – best part is no part.
Really? Are we treading over this old ground again?
Hey Elliot- just say x pung like the Chinese do! The world needs to know, plus it removes the risk of people thinking the company makes cars out of dead penguins
Seems like everything is premapped in this system, where a tesla is predicting a live map based on the raw camera feed. Premapping makes it faster to bring FSD to market, but also limits it to (parts of) cities that have been mapped in detail by xpeng, and doesn't adjust to changes in the road system or unexpected situations.
Roundabouts are scary??? Baby.
"There aren't that many roundabouts in the US". Another guy that's probably only been to California or something and thinks that's the entire US.
what about the issue of these systems not seeing darker individuals? considering engineers can't get motion-sensor soap dispensers to work for all skin tones. I don't trust them with self-driving.
seriously interesting btw but why only 90% of situations? what happened to get you to reduce this from 100% or even 99%? yes it was a final beta by the sound of it but what did you cut out?
Correction needs to be made to this video, Tesla now uses vision only for FSD.
Tesla doesn't use Radar. What else don't you know and understand? How valid can your assessment be when you screw up on such basic information. Or is this a matter of who's paying you?
Tesla cult community will ridicule almost every other EV in Market
As long as there is a human element, then saftey on the roads is never a certain thing. Also I would expect someone living in China to learn how to pronuounce Guangzhou correctly, and not butcher it. And the laws in China for self-driving say you need to touch the steering wheel at least every 10seconds or will complain. I think this is a good idea compared to people trying to sleep at the wheel which is why Telsa has several deaths, and the most accidents reported with self-driving.
One thing I would also question is how would the car get better over time, I doubt it has it's own learning AI inbuilt, because this is what it would be trained with at the start, so being nerveous is a good thing, Chinese people will just walk in front of a car as many have no sense whatsoever to safety.
Tesla is vision only for quite a while
Completely irrelevant tech, Tesla moved the game on, all others just wanted effort
Lidar does not recognize signage or traffic lights. The computer does not deal with occlusion or predict half the stuff the human brain and Tesla FSD handles. Lidar is mechanical and is subject to wear and reliability and cost or repair will be bad aspects. I would not trust this system over Tesla's.
The problem is knowing how it will deal with edge cases and that's what Dojo is about, Tesla's supercomputer which simulates and uses real world data from all the Tesla on the road today, testing responses to real world cases. I see the roads here are very well marked out. I'd like to see it work on some of the roads in USA and UK where there are more pot holes than tarmac.
The vehicle identification looks pants. Tesla tracks pedestrians and cyclists.
The real test is when legislators allow these technologies on the road for real. I'm pretty sure Lidar solutions will be banned pretty quick as the mortality rate goes through the roof.
can't even full self drive out of the parking lot into the main road 🤣 i definitely wouldn't call that "winning"
Can I purchase this now in GZ. My wife's hometown and we are planning on moving back once the BS is over.
Interesting that you still dare travelling/ having a journalist in China considering how many problems youtubers have had with anti vlogging laws, I wonder if you have party officials in the car
I’m sorry but I failed tp see how this car is winning the race compared to Tesla’s fsd. You didn’t gove any examples how is this system in anyway superior to FSD
Next year Tesla are removing all the cameras and offering chip implants so they can use your eyes for FSD🤣
Appreciate the video and love the channel. The implementation details are important… and utterly beyond the scope, despite the "technical sounding" footage/dialog as presented–and come with significant downstream implications and consequences both good and bad… (okay, I feel better for at least typing it.)
If that was a Tesla driving around the city it would have crashed.
Brilliant video, as always. Impressive FSD. Tesla vision does not use radar. But jury is out for who can drive 10 times better than humans, on every city road, first. Eamon
Fantastic!
Self driving cars are great, right up until the point when they are not. It's going to be a while before any self driving is up to travelling here in rural Hertfordshire.
There are a lot of questions I have about this: is this a swarm system? Does it only work on roadways that are already mapped and in the database? Is the system analyzing all the moving objects?
Almost every company is better than Tesla at autonomous driving. Because Tesla's approach is moronic and unsafe – come to think of it, that pretty much sums up Musk's approach to everything.
So first, let me take it out onto a motorway. How is that? Better than Tesla seems behind already